1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Impact close up of them. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:15,000 NICAP, the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomenon. 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Who are they and what is their purpose? 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,000 These and other questions will be asked and answered tonight on Impact Close Up. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Your reporter is Fred Contrary. 6 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,000 NICAP was formed in 1956. 7 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Their main goals, as quoted from the UFO evidence, which is a documented report from NICAP, 8 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,000 are scientific investigation and research of reported unidentified flying objects 9 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000 and encouragement of full reporting to the public by responsible authorities 10 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000 of all information which the government has accumulated on this subject. 11 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,000 This reporter made a trip to Washington, D.C. recently in order to gather more details 12 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,000 on this non-profit organization which has taken it upon itself 13 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 to bring this very controversial subject before the public. 14 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,000 We talked with several members of NICAP including the Acting Director of NICAP, Mr. Richard Hall. 15 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,000 We asked Mr. Hall exactly what his title was and what it represents. 16 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 I'm the Acting Director of NICAP. 17 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 The director is Major Donnelly Kehoe, Marine Corps Retired. 18 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 I'm the executive officer of the organization and I supervise all the investigations 19 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 and the reporting of information. 20 00:01:55,000 --> 00:02:01,000 We next asked Mr. Hall to explain a little further exactly what NICAP is and the purpose of NICAP. 21 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,000 NICAP stands for the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. 22 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:15,000 We were formed in order to investigate reported unidentified flying objects better known as flying saucers. 23 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,000 We want to gather all reliable information on this subject and make it public. 24 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,000 We have approximately 6,000 members. 25 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 We're growing rapidly in the past few months. We've gained about 300 members. 26 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 They are a true cross-section of American life. 27 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,000 You name a category and we have a member in it. 28 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:41,000 We have pilots, scientists, engineers, clergymen and all sorts of people. 29 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:48,000 The governing structure of NICAP consists of a board of directors and a large number of experts 30 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,000 from different fields of government work and scientific work. 31 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,000 We asked Mr. Hall along this line to give us the name of some of his board of governors. 32 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Mr. J.B. Hartrath Jr., who is here in Washington, 33 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,000 he's the president of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. 34 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,000 He was the founder of the U.S. Air Guard, which is now the civil air patrol. 35 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,000 We have Virginia board member Colonel Joseph Byron III in Richmond, 36 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,000 who is a former special assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force, 37 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Dr. Charles P. Olivier, who is the president of the American Meteor Society 38 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:29,000 and the former head of Flower and Cook Observatory in Pennsylvania. 39 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:34,000 These are just a few. We have 10 or 12 board members and a panel of advisors 40 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,000 of a few dozen scientists and engineers. 41 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 We then asked Mr. Hall about publications from NICAP. 42 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 We have a membership newsletter which is published by monthly. 43 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,000 It's called the UFO Investigator, and we have from time to time published booklets and pamphlets. 44 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Also a publication of NICAP is known as the UFO Evidence. We asked him about this. 45 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,000 UFO Evidence is a documentary report, which is a one-shot affair. 46 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:11,000 We may publish supplements of it later on. This covers the whole UFO subject from World War II through 1963. 47 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,000 The end of 1963 was our cutoff date. We're now planning a 1964 supplement. 48 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,000 We next asked Mr. Hall if any of these publications have been submitted to Congress for any reason. 49 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Yes, we have. In fact, the UFO Evidence documentary report was submitted to every member of Congress 50 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:36,000 in summer of 1964. We have also distributed it to, of course, to universities and other places, 51 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 but we're particularly interested in having Congress look into this entire matter. 52 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000 There are some congressmen who feel quite strongly that there is a lot to this subject, 53 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 and that it ought to be pro. We have had difficulty in finding a committee chairman 54 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,000 who is willing to stick his neck out a little bit and do something about it. 55 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,000 I can read you a few of the remarks. Senator Paul Douglas of Illinois said he was encouraged 56 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000 to see the concentrated efforts of NYCAP to have all of the facts about UFOs brought out to the public. 57 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Quote, I will certainly offer my contribution of time and effort to get to the bottom of these reports. 58 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Senator Harrison A. Williams, Jr. of New Jersey, stated, quote, 59 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:19,000 the UFO Evidence report is indeed an impressive document and should be given the most careful consideration. 60 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,000 There are a number of other congressmen and senators who feel the same. 61 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:29,000 I received several back copies of their bi-monthly publication of NYCAP's The UFO Investigator. 62 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:36,000 One of these publications marked April and May of 1961, stated on the front page in billet and form, 63 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:43,000 that NYCAP has been assured of an official UFO investigation, including a thorough probe of the Air Force secrecy. 64 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:49,000 As now planned, this will come within two or three months, but increasing pressure will probably speed it up. 65 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,000 And it went on to say that the official investigators will evaluate verified UFO reports, 66 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,000 contradictory Air Force explanations of sightings, and several other things. 67 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,000 This investigation never took place. The reasons we do not know. 68 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:12,000 However, in my interview, I asked Mr. Hall if, in his opinion, there was any chance of a congressional investigation perhaps this year. 69 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:19,000 I think there is an excellent chance this year, because there is a great deal of public interest in the subject, 70 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,000 and the congressmen and senators are getting a great many letters on it. 71 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:31,000 In fact, it was recently reported in an area newspaper that Senator Thomas J. Dodd of Connecticut is now considering looking into the subject and holding some hearings. 72 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:45,000 You are listening to Impact Close-Up on W. Lee Radio. Tonight's subject, NYCAP, the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomenon. 73 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:55,000 This reporter has long been interested in the subject of UFOs, and I was extremely interested in probing the subject further. 74 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Upon arriving in Washington to visit the NYCAP offices, the first thing I did was to get lost, which isn't very unusual for me. 75 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Finally, the offices were discovered, and I proceeded to walk up to the third floor of an old hotel building. 76 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000 I entered a room stacked with files and newspapers of every description. 77 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 There were envelopes with addresses reading simply Flying Saucers, care of Washington, D.C. 78 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,000 The first office knew where to send them. There was a map showing reported sightings of UFOs this past year. 79 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,000 Back copies of the bi-monthly publication, the UFO investigator, and of course, people. 80 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:41,000 People talking about Flying Saucers and about the Air Force and their span on UFO subject, which seemed a little strange to me. 81 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,000 I talked with Mr. Hall and other members present about the Air Force's stand on the UFO question. 82 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Mr. Hall's comment was... 83 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:59,000 The Air Force has, for the past six or eight years, issued regular statements which give the impression that nothing at all out of the ordinary is going on. 84 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:08,000 Nobody has seen anything unusual. They have what we consider glib explanations for many, many sightings by excellent witnesses. 85 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 So their overall attitude is to debunk the subject and deny it. 86 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:20,000 The next logical question in my mind was to ask Mr. Hall, why did the Air Force suddenly begin hushing up on the UFO question? 87 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Well, we can only speculate. Back through about 1952, the Air Force was taking the subject very seriously. 88 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:37,000 And in fact, it was reported that some very high-ranking generals in the Pentagon were responsible for the famous Life Magazine article in April 1952, 89 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,000 which left a very strong suggestion that these objects were from another planet. 90 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:53,000 I think at some point along the line, a change in policy occurred where somebody felt it would be wiser not to say anything until the Air Force had all the answers. 91 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,000 They're so far out on a limb now with their secrecy that there's no easy way out of it. 92 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Another one of those present in the NICAP offices was Mr. Paul Dickey, who is a member of NICAP and is employed as a communications engineer. 93 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:16,000 We also placed this question to Mr. Dickey as to why he thought the Air Force had suddenly started censoring UFO reports. 94 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:35,000 I think basically there are several reasons. One is that it would be quite a shock to most people, most people's ego as a person and as a nation and as a civilization to think that somebody is further advanced than we are. 95 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Number two, the government doesn't have, I don't believe, I don't believe anyone has, all the answers because this race of beings that has us under observation is so far advanced in technology, much further advanced than we are. 96 00:09:54,000 --> 00:10:04,000 It would just not be reasonable to release all this information and say, well, I just don't know the answers. It wouldn't be good morale. 97 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Number three, it would be pretty hard on the economy, especially the stock market, to break this information all at once. 98 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:37,000 In general, it's better that this information be leaked out to the public by bits and pieces and that they become aware of it and that they let it become part of their lives, something to live with as we became aware of the hydrogen bomb and learned how to live in a world that our lives were threatened. 99 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Although I do not believe that these visitors are threatening us, we have very little indication that they're hostile to us. The few account of hostility have been explained in my mind as being strictly accidental cases of violence. 100 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:11,000 I then took the same question to Mr. Howe in his account that he think that the UFOs were posing any direct danger or any kind of danger whatsoever to the security of this country or to the world. 101 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:21,000 I don't think there's any direct physical danger from them because they have kind of been around for a very long time and there's been no open sign of hostility. 102 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:30,000 And I think people have demonstrated this kind of power if they had any desire to conquer us or attack us, they could have done so at any time. There would have been no contest. 103 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:50,000 I think there is a danger if secrecy continues for the very reason that the public will be uninformed and unaware of this and if they suddenly encounter a few those or a few those suddenly start landing all over the place, this might result in some kind of panic due to their lack of knowledge on the subject. 104 00:11:50,000 --> 00:12:02,000 From information I had read in the past, I got the opinion that foreign governments looked on the UFO subject in giving out information about UFOs. I put this question to Mr. Howe and his reply. 105 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:15,000 They are pretty similar. For instance, in England they have a policy almost identical to ours. They use almost exactly the same words in denying that there's anything going on. 106 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:36,000 A few countries are more liberal or have been from time to time, particularly Argentina and Brazil. Brazil, for instance, set up a high level commission consisting of active military officers, representatives of the Brazilian Armed Services, attorneys, scientists, engineers, and they look into the subject and distribute information on it. 107 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:53,000 Upon reading the UFO report, I noted that there were very few photographs of flying saucers. Most of those in the book were drawings of a photograph. There were a few exceptions where a photo was shown. I asked Mr. Howe if he thought there were any authentic photographs of UFOs available. 108 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:16,000 Yes, I do. We have some photographs. We don't have any copies of them available for distribution, but there have been various photographs of UFOs published from time to time. A few of them come from very reliable witnesses and show some unusual things. Overall, we do not consider the photographs to be very good evidence of UFOs, particularly still photographs, because they're so easily faked. 109 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 There again it boils down to the character of the witness. 110 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:54,000 We turned it up in a booklet of some sort and will be for sale. There were, needless to say, some very startling pictures in there. 111 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:19,000 The reason flurry of sightings in Virginia during the latter part of December and on through January and a short part of February sent NICAP officials to the state to gather whatever information they could find. Two sightings were investigated thoroughly by NICAP. Mr. Howe now gives us the details. 112 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:44,000 We interviewed or investigated two separate landing reports over there. One was the December 21st case by, ported by Horace Burns of Grottoes, who said he saw a UFO cross the road ahead of his car. His car stalled and the object landed in the field. We visited with Professor Ernest Gaiman of the Eastern Mennonite College and he has done a very thorough investigation job for us. He is a NICAP member. 113 00:14:44,000 --> 00:15:10,000 The other incident was more recent. I believe the date was January 19th in also near Wingsboro. This involved a man who said that he had witnessed a UFO landing and saw some small beings emerge from the object. There was no kind of communication. He just was confronted by these beings and he stated that he was very frightened by the experience. 114 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:30,000 I hasten to add that we don't necessarily believe this story 100%. We're interested in objective scientific investigation and that's why we were there. But one point I would like to make is that this man very obviously had been intimidated by some kind of government agents unidentified. We don't know who they were. Air Force, FBI, CIA. 115 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:41,000 But it was very obvious from talking to this man's friends who are very responsible local citizens that this man had been intimidated and could not talk about his experience. 116 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Mr. Howe, in your investigation of these two signings, were there any material evidence of a craft of some kind landing? 117 00:15:49,000 --> 00:16:04,000 No, in the first case, December 21st, there was physical evidence. Professor Gaiman investigated the site and tested it with a Geiger counter and found extremely high radioactivity where the object had been seen to land. 118 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:20,000 This was later denied by the Air Force or they implied that Professor Gaiman was a professor of German and didn't know what he was doing. But the Air Force failed to mention that a couple of Dupont engineers were also passing and verified the high radioactivity. 119 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:39,000 This is a good form of physical evidence as was the fact that the man's car motor failed as the UFO passed by. In the second case, there was no physical evidence but there had been several rain and snow storms in between the sighting and the investigation. So this is not too surprising. 120 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:58,000 As you heard Mr. Howe said in the case up at Grotto's, the man said that when the alleged UFO hovered over his car or passed over it, his engine stalled up. This also happened in the case of a sighting in Williamsburg which you are probably familiar with where two men were driving down the highway and in separate cars. 121 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Both men said their car stalled out as they came within sight of a large cone shaped object hovering over a field. These sightings and years gone by have also shown cases where electronic effects have come about when the UFO had been sighted. I asked Mr. Howe, there was any explanation for this? 122 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Yes, we have a section in the UFO evidence report which lists past cases of so-called electromagnetic interference. There is no known explanation for this. There are few guesses that it is apparently some powerful electrostatic field causing it but the exact mechanism of how it works, nobody knows. 123 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Another case on record concerning these electromagnetic interferences happened several years ago when a group of jet planes were heading out to sea down somewhere in the southern part of the country near Florida and something happened and they never returned again. 124 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:16,000 So they sent another coast guard plane out to try to find them, see if perhaps they had crashed or something and this plane too would never return. Although they could never be sure, they believed that some kind of electronic interference had caused their radar and their compass to go completely out of whack and thus they lost their course and simply ran out of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic. This is too a very interesting case. 125 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:32,000 It has been the policy of the press, both presses, to report on UFO sightings only within the state that the sighting occurs. I hasten to add here that both presses here in Virginia I think gave very excellent coverage to sightings here in the Virginia area. 126 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:52,000 And for this reason the Richmonders did not know whether Virginia was the only place where flying saucers were being seen during December and January. We of course knew they were being seen here. And until this report I feel most Richmonders didn't have any idea that there were sightings elsewhere during the same period. We asked Mr. Hall about this. 127 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Yes, as a matter of fact, when the sightings were occurring in Virginia they were actually occurring all up and down the east coast. And apparently these stories very seldom go out on news wires outside of a given state. So the overall picture is not realized by anyone in one state. 128 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:30,000 We did get sightings at the same time from New Hampshire. Incidentally there was a case of a car being stalled as the UFO passed over in New Hampshire. There were sightings in Massachusetts, Connecticut, North Carolina, and Georgia. When the sightings stopped in the Virginia area they also stopped up and down the coast and now they have shifted out to the west coast. 129 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:52,000 It's starting to get very similar reports from Washington state, Idaho, Oregon, and all that region. There was one case where a border patrolman reported seeing a large disc shaped object which descended and hovered above his car, ahead of his car, and then after hovering for a few seconds zoomed back up through the overcast and disappeared. 130 00:19:52,000 --> 00:20:06,000 On the same night there was a reported landing which the object left markings on the ground. It's the same sort of thing. It's been very consistent over the years but appears to be an unusual number of reported landings in the past year or so. 131 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:32,000 One thing in my mind which has never been quite clear and has left me to a very small extent a skeptic of some sightings of UFOs has been the unusual number of sightings of different types of objects and sizes too. They range from round disc, three to five feet in diameter to large cigar shaped objects as much as five hundred feet in diameter. 132 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:45,000 The ones in Williamsburg and Grotto's here in Virginia reported cone shaped objects. They're all kinds of shapes and sizes it seems. I asked Mr. Hall if there was any explanation of why there were so many different shapes and sizes of these things. 133 00:20:45,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Well actually it seems like there's a large variety of types of UFOs reported but they boil down to maybe eight or ten distinct types. They're usually disc shaped or egg shaped or cigar shaped. The cone shaped is a little rarer or has been until recently but there are such reports described in the UFO evidence including one just about two years ago of about five separate groups of policemen in Ohio who saw cone shaped objects maneuvering around. 134 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Mr. Hall do you have any explanation as to why there are so few reports of cone shaped objects? 135 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 That might be the late Marvel. 136 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:30,000 Well maybe that sounds a little ridiculous but let's remember if you were a little spaceman up there looking down upon us you would probably wonder too why there are so many different types of cars running around. 137 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:52,000 One of the other men we talked to you've heard from him already Mr. Paul Dickey. As for the story now which he was a witness to as were many other people which took place during January as a sighting occurrence in Washington D.C. which involved more than just the UFO. I asked Mr. Dickey if he would mind explaining exactly what happened that day. 138 00:21:52,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Yes I'd be glad to. It happened about twenty minutes past four o'clock in the afternoon. One of the engineers was closing the window in the building that we work and noticed to be looking out of the sky above the monument. 139 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:21,000 I noticed these peculiar objects and called a friend of mine. He went down there and immediately called me and a whole crowd of us congregated at the windows. 140 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:37,000 In general there were two clumps or two major groups of whitish almond shaped objects which were being chased by a jet aircraft which had delta wing shaped wings on them. 141 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:48,000 These delta wings were on the back of the craft. I don't know what type it is. I think we have an F-11 that folds back like that now but could not be sure of the type of craft. 142 00:22:48,000 --> 00:23:01,000 But while observing these objects and trying to see the details on them I did happen to see one of the jets pursuing it and turning right behind one of these objects. 143 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:11,000 The object was slightly larger than the jet and by that I could figure out how big the objects were because I know just about how big most of our jets are. 144 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:24,000 The object was about I would say 35 or 40 feet in diameter and our calculations showed that they were about 12 to 15,000 feet and about three and a half to four miles away from us. 145 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:40,000 And we're moving well over 1500 miles an hour. It might be interesting to note also that the Prime Minister of Japan was due to land at Andrews Air Force Base just a few miles away one half hour later than this sighting. 146 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:46,000 So I imagine the government had good reason to have their jets up there protecting our official visitors. 147 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,000 That report from Mr. Dickey concerns a sighting in the Washington, D.C. area just a matter of weeks ago. 148 00:23:52,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Going back now to Mr. Hall, I read in the publication UFO evidence that there were continued references throughout the book about the famous, and that's in quotes, UFO sightings in the Washington and general Virginia area during the year 1952. 149 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:22,000 I asked Mr. Hall if he could give us an explanation for this exactly why it was considered such a famous thing and exactly what occurred during the July and August period of 1952 in the Washington and Virginia area. 150 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:34,000 Yes, 1952 was one of the peak periods of UFO sightings. I believe it still is. Even by the Air Force's figures there were something like 1,700 admitted sightings back here. 151 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Now we call them famous UFO sightings because by this time the Air Force had already explained all UFOs away, but the UFOs didn't cooperate and they came back and buzzed over the Capitol and the White House and over many restricted flying areas. 152 00:24:48,000 --> 00:25:01,000 They were tracked on radar. They were seen simultaneously by airline pilots who saw like where the radar said they should be seen. And this went on for two consecutive weekends right over the heart of Washington. 153 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:19,000 Another section of my cap's publication, the UFO evidence, was concerned with something called Angels Hair, which I was completely fascinated with. I asked Mr. Hall exactly what Angels Hair was and how if it does tie in with UFO sightings. 154 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Well, we don't really know what it is, but it's one of those borderline things where some of it seems to be explained as Gossamer, which is web-like material that's spun by ballooning spiders. 155 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:39,000 And quite often these reports of Angel Hair occur in the month of October, which is the migrating season for ballooning spiders. 156 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:50,000 But there are other cases on record of material which is very much like Gossamer, with the one big exception that it seems to dissipate if you touch it. There's no reason for Gossamer to do this. 157 00:25:50,000 --> 00:26:01,000 The Angels Hair disappears quite readily and is therefore extremely difficult to analyze, but it sometimes falls in great quantity and drapes itself over telephone poles and trees. 158 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:10,000 And you would need thousands and thousands of spiders flying around to produce the quantity of material. So it's just one of these oddities that may or may not be related to UFOs. 159 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Another question which we have not hit on, but just as a sidelight I am putting it in this report. Going back once again to Mr. Paul Dickey, you may remember, is a member of my cap and is employed as a communications engineer with the U.S. governments. 160 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:41,000 I asked Mr. Dickey if he knew of any attempts by private concerns or by the U.S. government himself of attempts to communicate with beings within these craft, going even further, presuming that there are actually spacecrafts up there. 161 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Mr. Dickey had this reply for us. 162 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:59,000 I know of several different types of attempts to communicate. There have been attempts by people that I know of to communicate through light beams. These were unsuccessful to my knowledge. 163 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:09,000 There have been attempts to communicate by radio. I have heard rumors that they were successful. I do not know of any successful ones. 164 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:33,000 There have been communications that I am sure of by people that I know where information was being to them in a semi-telepathic manner in which they received information from these beings, something like ESP. This may sound strange, but on a scientific basis I do believe that it is possible. 165 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Living that or not is certainly a very interesting idea. Going back once again to Mr. Hall, the acting director of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomenon, we asked Mr. Hall what my cap does when they get a report of a UFO sighting. 166 00:27:49,000 --> 00:28:03,000 Whenever possible we try to go right to the witnesses and to get first-hand information. We have investigation units scattered around the country that go out in the field equipped with tape recorders and Geiger counters and other detection equipment. 167 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:16,000 We try to get the first-hand information to check out possible explanations, to check on character and background of the individual's concern. We do have a standard UFO report form which we try to get witnesses to fill out. 168 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:26,000 My last question to Mr. Hall, the acting director of NYCAP, was, quote, Mr. Hall, have you ever seen a flying saucer? 169 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:44,000 Not really. I saw one light phenomenon several years ago at night, but I wouldn't consider it a good UFO report. I couldn't explain it. I couldn't even be sure it was a solid object. It was just a light darting around and back and forth. But I'm not the type that holds that seeing is believing because I believe in Australia and I've never seen it. 170 00:28:46,000 --> 00:29:13,000 And so ends this week's impact close-up. This week, NYCAP, the National Investigation Committee of Aerial Phenomenon. Our story for tonight is over, but NYCAP's story is just beginning. 171 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:24,000 In the weeks and months to come, a lot more will be heard from this organization. Whether you believe in flying saucers or not isn't really important, but I do believe you should have an open mind on this subject. 172 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:39,000 If you do believe or would just like more information on the idea itself, you may join NYCAP for a yearly fee of $5. This entitles you to at least six bulletins a year, the bulletin referring to the UFO investigator. 173 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:53,000 And for an additional $4, you can purchase the UFO evidence. If you would just like the UFO evidence alone, the price is $5. NYCAP's address is 1536 Connecticut Avenue, Northwest Washington, D.C. 174 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,000 By the way, I too have never seen Australia, but I believe in it.